T08_InternationalCollaboration: Features Day2.mm

File Features Day2.mm, 16.1 KB (added by lawrence, 12 years ago)

Bryan's Day Two mindmap (which I didn't update after we started working on Simon's figure)

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12<node CREATED="1173344917111" ID="Freemind_Link_1131305654" MODIFIED="1173344923155" TEXT="or is this a just an exchange format?"/>
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21<node CREATED="1173345825433" ID="Freemind_Link_1402338748" MODIFIED="1173345845592" TEXT="not all convinced it&apos;s better than current trajectories?"/>
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71<node CREATED="1173345421089" ID="Freemind_Link_1974618773" MODIFIED="1173345457175" TEXT="as we lose details we allow folk to do non-efficient querires becaue they have no hint: we need to promote the information to the right level"/>
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